sdocy
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Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-23-2007 05:35 AM |
So hands that you are supposed to limp in with in good position, suited connectors, suited aces, etc. What type of pot odds are you looking for in a 6-10 ring cash game in order to call a raise and see the flop?
For example, live cash game, say 8 people, you are just before or at the button, have 3-4 people limp in before you, so you limp in with SC or AXs and then the big blind makes a pretty standard raise to 5xBB or so. How many people do you need to have call the raise in order to get you to also call the raise with these type of hands?
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Macio
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Re: Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-23-2007 06:50 AM |
With Axs .. i would fold unless another 3 or 4 poeple in the pot. I only play Axs in unrised pots.
With SC .. i would call even if that would be heads up.
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Re: Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-23-2007 09:24 AM |
Honestly, I wouldn't recommend playing suited connectors unless you have significantly strong reading abilities. It's way too easy to get caught up with 87s on a 862 board against an overpair and not know it.
If you're going to play them, only play them in great position... the button or one off it. You also need to be capable of folding top pair if you hit... and capable of betting it if you feel you're ahead. It's difficult territory.
I pretty much tell people I talk to NOT to play things like 87s out of position. Even I rarely play hands like that out of position.
If you're wondering why position matters... that's probably another reason you should fold suited connectors preflop. |

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fade212
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Re: Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-23-2007 10:20 AM |
Suited Connectors are really hard to play with.
I won't play them inless I have postiton or its heads up in a raised pot |
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sdocy
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Re: Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-23-2007 12:03 PM |
Hmmm, why would you want heads up with a drawing hand? Sure, if you are good at reading your opponoent, then it is easier to tell if you are ahead or behind when you only are against one person, but the main benefit of these hands is being able to draw to a very strong hand. Which means you want more people in the pot to give you the odds to draw and to have a better chance of somone hitting a decent hand like 2 pair so you get paid when you do hit.
I certainly know the value of position with these hands. I've just been trying to figure out when it is worth calling with them in a raised pot. Personally, I'm much more confortable calling with these hands with 5 or 6 people calling the raise ahead of me than I am calling just the person who raised.
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Re: Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-23-2007 05:24 PM |
I agree with Stephen, suited connectors are not hands you want when playing heads up. People with decent hands heads up are more likely to bet you out of the pot since they're only playing one opponent.
It was also touched on, but flopping top pair is not what you're looking for, you want a draw. If I'm playing a multi way pot and hit top pair with no redraw, then I'll usually fold to any c-bet if it looks like it's going to be heads up.
Another thing you have to be aware of is the level of aggression at the table. If it's pretty passive and you have a few callers and are in MP, then I don't mind calling a 2 or 3xBB raise as you'll likely have another one or two calling behind you. If it's an aggressive table and people are betting 4 and 5xBB, then I'll only call with 76s and higher from the CO or button.
But if you're anything like me, I'll call multi-way pots with just about any hand in late position if those in the pot are deep enough. The better I get, the more comfortable I feel playing pots for implied odds, so my hand becomes of less relevance. |

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fade212
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Re: Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-24-2007 03:22 AM |
Oh Money, the reason I do sometimes with heads up with SC's is when pot odds dictate me cause when there is alot of dead money.
Sorry if I didn't state that lol |
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MadMat
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Re: Pot Odds for calling with suited connectors Posted: 03-25-2007 02:35 AM |
For me it's all about implied odds, I'll call raises in position with Axs and SCs when the stack sizes are large compared to the raise.
The 5/10 rule is a good rule of thumb for calling raises in position with speculative hands.
If the raise is less than 5% of your stack you should probably call
if the raise is more than 10% of your stack you should fold
Between 5% and 10% is a judgement call, based on player and position.
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