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Pocket 9's - JJ's
Posted: 08-30-2006 11:38 PM |
How do you guys play these hands in no limit. I am stuggling with them. Do you raise pre flop at all? Do you call a rasie and then on the flop if you have an overpair do you bet out?
Here is a hand i played earlier and any advice would be great!
Hope all is well
Ian
POKERSTARS GAME #6114878355: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.05/$0.10)
Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: FLYCASTER56 ($16.70 in chips)
Seat 2: willie1957 ($9 in chips)
Seat 4: yeepyeep ($7.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Pro Golfer23 ($10.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Wearingblue ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 7: scubadu ($12.10 in chips)
Seat 8: acewill2 ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 9: undertakerfu ($9.15 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yeepyeep [9h 9s]
scubadu: folds
acewill2: raises $0.40 to $0.50
undertakerfu: folds
FLYCASTER56: folds
willie1957: folds
yeepyeep: calls $0.50
Pro Golfer23: folds
Wearingblue: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s 3h 8h]
acewill2: bets $0.60
yeepyeep: raises $0.60 to $1.20
acewill2: calls $0.60
*** TURN *** [8s 3h 8h] [Ts]
acewill2: checks
yeepyeep: bets $1.20
acewill2: calls $1.20
*** RIVER *** [8s 3h 8h Ts] [Jh]
acewill2: bets $2.45 and is all-in
yeepyeep: folds
acewill2 collected $5.70 from pot
acewill2: doesn't show hand
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 sdocy
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Re: Pocket 9's - JJ's
Posted: 08-31-2006 02:23 AM |
I raise pre-flop with either TT or JJ. 99 and under, I generally limp. 88 and 99 I might raise if I'm on the button and no-one has limped, or only one person, who generally raises with good hands, has limped in. when I raise with 88 or 99, I'm basically hoping to steal what is out there. Some of my biggest wins are when I raise pre-flop with TT and hit my set. They never see it coming.
When trying to limp 99 and under, I'll always call a raise as long as the implied odds are around 10:1 or better, since getting your set is generally a very good payday if someone has raised pre-flop.
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bobby7
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Re: Pocket 9's - JJ's
Posted: 08-31-2006 02:40 AM |
i generally dont raise preflop in ring games since most people are so bad after the flop that i can win money with less risk and see little reason to gamble preflop that is just what the fish want you to do, now of course i mix in the occasional raise so that i dont become easily pegged and i do like to make pot builder raises with these kind of hands IN LATE POSITION and i caps locked that because its important that i be able to have the best chance at stealing the pot should i not make a set and it works quite well so long as i do is sparingly, i wont do it with anything less than 8s in most cases though.
i am not like your typical player, i dont look down at queens, jacks, tens and think well this is probably the best hand so im gonna raise because i dont want to be left with difficult decisions if an overcard hits and when your playing with weak players i believe the most important thing you can do is make your decisions easy even at the cost of a missed bet. i want to keep my decisions easy and be able to make a ton of value bets after the flop and just slowly build my chips all the while waiting for the hand over hand situation that all NL players look for.
my strategy is based around calling with raising mixed in JUST to throw people off(yes even a .25/.50 player pays attention) i never raise 9s Ts and Js to try and isolate people in a ring game as i dont really consider jacks to be a premium hand. i do it for value and when in position so that i can best see where im at. im a firm believer that at the lower levels you can learn more by letting other people do the betting for your rather than betting yourself which is why my preflop raising % according to pokertracker is a measly 3%, i do a lot of limp-reraising though so im not sure if that counts to the preflop raising stat. most of my raising are just to throw opponents off so an accurate reading of my raising would be more like 1%.
lets see lots of cheap flops. i am fine winning many $4-$5 pots as long as im not losing. |
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MadMat
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Re: Pocket 9's - JJ's
Posted: 08-31-2006 06:17 AM |
it depends!!
In a loose low limit game where several people are seeing the flop each hand even when there is a raise then I'll probably limp along, or maybe make a small pot sweetner raise of 2 or 3 bb if I'm on the button with them. In this sort of game I'm playing these hands pretty much for set value only.
in a tighter game where a raise is likely to get me heads-up then I'll raise all three preflop my "standard 4bb+1 per limper" with the intention of betting again on the flop - even if I miss!
This will often take down the pot there and then - especially if your caller has something like AK / AQ and misses the flop! it also helps to diguise your big hands as you'd be playing AA/KK etc exactly the same 
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Drogo
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Re: Pocket 9's - JJ's
Posted: 08-31-2006 07:11 AM |
"it also helps to diguise your big hands as you'd be playing AA/KK etc exactly the same"
This is the most important reason to raise these hands at least occassionally. If it is late position and an unraised pot I will raise 99-JJ almost every time. If I haven't raised in a while then I will raise them from anywhere and possibly even re raise if the original raiser is tight and I think I can shove them around. I want to make it clear at all times that I'm not waiting for AA/AK/KK/QQ to raise so that when I do get those hands I get some action.
I don't worry so much about having tough decisions from overcards if I isolate or there are only two others in. I have enough confidence in my post flop play and reads that I can still play low pp reasonably.
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Re: Pocket 9's - JJ's
Posted: 08-31-2006 10:24 AM |
Ok thanks for the tips guys, and thats interesting how you play bobby, i might fiddle around with this to.
What did u think of the hand i played by the way?Would you have done the same? |
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Re: Pocket 9's - JJ's
Posted: 08-31-2006 01:06 PM |
So many different strategies for these games its unbelievable... my advice, for short handed NL cash games (especially on stars) is raise raise raise. I have little regard for position and I think the strategy works well with me because I know when I am behind in a hand.
I raise pretty much every hand I want to play. The obvious high pairs along with AK. And then any two connecting high cards, starting with 9-10. From there I raise all the low pairs, just the same as I raise my big pairs, and I include suited connectors all the way down to 34s.
Like I say, the most important thing about this strategy is to get out when your behind. Often, you will be in a flush vs flush situation. I definitely would not employ this stategy in a tournament (unless I had a lot of chips and wanted to pressurise the short stacks).
John Dagastino has made a good strategy on both short handed limit/no limit play on full tilt. I played a SH 2/4 NL game with him on full tilt not long ago and sure enough he plays it well (I did go on to win a $500 pot from him against his ace high flush when I hit a straight flush though  No getting away from that one dags!!! |
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