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Forgetting Pot odds
Posted: 08-30-2006 02:49 PM |
Hey guys. Long time no see etc etc. lol 
Ok, this isnt an article or anything but something that just happened to me on Pokerstars.
You here so many people talking about pot odds these days that people have forgotten the goal of the game... to get all the chips. Mistake me if I am wrong? Ok, lets remember that you try to minimalise your lost chips in this process, but overrall, thats the goal? Agree?
Good... lets move on.
Im in the daily 10k guaranteed on stars when this situation arises. Blinds are 100/200, i have around 7.5 k and in BB with Qd5d. Few limpers and I check.
Flop brings 10K8 with 2 diamonds. Checked round to guy in last position who fires 600 in to the pot. SB folds and I call on my draw, everyone else folds. Now some people would say this is my first mistake but a queen high draw isnt bad. I knew this guy did not bet draws, from playing with him regularly, so I took him off the draw himself. Everyone else folds and the pot is around 2200, so to my stack its quite nice. The river is 5c bringing a board of 10dKd8s5c. I think about putting in a small bet to try and see the next card but decide to check and he fires 1500 in there. I know have around 6800 in front of me. NOW... this is where normally, most people, me included, would fold... however something sprung to mind. I have notes on this guy, play with him a lot... maybe he has notes on me? I dont tend to call big draw bets, especially on the turn and even more so if it is not to the nuts. If I call... and hit, he doesnt suspect at all the I have the flush... does he?
I call and the river brings the 9d. Instantly, I push all in. The guy thinks and thinks and eventually calls showing K10 for two pair. I take down a 15000 pot and he guy comments... "wow, cant believe you called the turn bet, didnt put you on a draw". Thus, my point is proven. He believed i had a made hand and, seeing that he may (lets assume he has) got notes on me, he would not have called that all in bet seeing that I was not one to play without good odds.
And like the title says, forget odds, I just doubled up and Narrowed the field... isnt that what pokers all about?
Comments appreciated..
Good luck! |
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Re: Forgetting Pot odds
Posted: 08-30-2006 04:04 PM |
It appears to me that you did think about the odds when you made the call on the turn. You obviously felt that given your read on this player, you felt it likely you could take his whole stack if you hit your draw ... classic implied odds!
As a bonus, this player now doesn't have as clear a read on you ... when you call a big bet on the turn, are you trapping with a set or drawing to that open end straight on the board? Now, he's not going to know! |
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 sdocy
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Re: Forgetting Pot odds
Posted: 08-30-2006 05:00 PM |
>> this player now doesn't have as clear a read on you ...
THAT'S what poker is all about !
stephen
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bobby7
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Re: Forgetting Pot odds
Posted: 08-30-2006 05:09 PM |
when your out of position in a situation like that you push allin on the river when you make it to try your best to make it look like a bluff, its sort of ironic how having notes on someone can be a disadvantage at times and now that you have messed up his notes he doesnt know what to think.
you have to expect to get called on the river though, your opponent seems to be showing that they have a big hand so they might just call anyway. |
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Re: Forgetting Pot odds
Posted: 08-30-2006 05:47 PM |
Good play then huh  - bust out of the 10K with Ks vs Aces, but going well in 20 dollar tourney. 22k average 16, 50 left. In the money, $3,100 to first... I was chip leader with 49k up to 10 mins ago when in succession my AA lost vs QQ, my KK vs 66 and then AK to AA. Left me with 13k but onwards and upwards... tbc |
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Re: Forgetting Pot odds
Posted: 08-31-2006 02:11 PM |
| Yes, the objective is to put yourself in the best position to get the most chips. The best method is to know how your opponent will react as well as what he's doing (which is what you did this time.) The next best method is what your opponent is doing OR how he will react. The best method without knowledge of these things is to play the cards (standard strategy.) If you knew (or suspected) that he "knew" (or suspected) you weren't chasing a draw, your implied odds more than justified a call. |
Arrr, matey |
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Re: Forgetting Pot odds
Posted: 08-31-2006 04:01 PM |
Roger was spot on. You had very good reason to believe you could stack this guy if your draw completed. The implied odds outweighed the pot odds. Of course they almost always do in a situation like yours. 
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My poker is better than your poker. |
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