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NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-07-2004 08:35 PM

Hi all,

This is part of a series of strategies I am developing for low limit hold’em played online. The idea is to identify patterns and use a combination of player composition, patterns and applied mathematics (odds) to come up with the best way to beat any particular game at a given point in time.

One basic theme in all of my hold’em strategies is that both of your pocket cards must play to be successful. The reason is to take as many options away from your opponents as possible.

One thing I have noticed about free rolls and low buy-in tourneys is the amount of horrid play and ‘see every flop’ type of players. I have been working out a way to establish a chip lead with little risk without playing too many hands. I also want to increase my win rate per hour and don’t have a problem with busting out early in one of these free rolls. I hate playing for 3 hours only to be knocked out by the blinds before I make the money table.

One thing about this game, everyone likes to limp in. Taking that away seems to anger some players and they will play inferior hands against you. The idea is to make other players beat you rather than draw out on you.

I like to play this strategy for the first 60-90 minutes or until the blinds are 100/200.

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Hand selection:

 - From any position regardless of anything else, go all in with AA, KK, AKs. I did quite well playing only these hands this way and no others in a number of tournaments. I would play maybe 4 hands in the first 90 minutes and be in the middle of the pack. I decided to add the hands below to add to that edge.
 
 - From mid to late position with no more than 4x the minimum raise in front of you add AKo AQs, AQo and QQ to all in. Otherwise call a raise up to 20% of your stack, otherwise fold.

 - From mid to late position raise to 4x the minimum bet or 20% or your stack for all pairs down to 66.

 - From early position limp with these same pairs and add suited connectors (in any position) down to 76s. Also limp from any position with suited Aces or Kings.

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Post flop play (both pocket cards play):

 - With a pair and over cards on the board, a 4 flush or 4 straight bet 2x the minimum bet, call raises up to 4x the minimum bet or 20% of your stack. Fold to bigger bets.

 - With top pair or 2 pair and an unpaired board bet 4x the minimum but fold to any raise more than 50% of your stack unless you have top 2 pair and there is no chance of a flush or straight. Consider re-raising all in if this happens.

 - With trips, straights, full houses, etc. try to slow play after the flop. If you don’t get any action put in some big raises and end there.

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Try not to show weakness. If you bet big before the flop and totally miss consider another big bet. Since you are playing big cards you probably still have the advantage.

I welcome comments and actual results using this strategy. I make no warranty that it will work, but I will affirm that I have used it myself with success under the conditions I played (those specified above). Your mileage may vary.



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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-09-2004 04:47 AM
I like to use a similar strat myself but sadly it has one flaw. Sometimes you never get those hands in the early going and sometimes you can go an entire tourney without getting them
If i've read your post correctly you are saying i should only play AKo AQs, AQo and QQ Along with aa kk and ak suited
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-09-2004 09:12 AM
From mid to late position raise to 4x the minimum bet or 20% or your stack for all pairs down to 66.

From early position limp with these same pairs and add suited connectors (in any position) down to 76s. Also limp from any position with suited Aces or Kings. 

 

And yes, you could only play a few hands. As long as you win them you should be in good condition. Other players at your table seem to take note when you fold 30 hands in a row and then go all-in



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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-10-2004 12:40 PM
Hi,
Thanks for sharing your strategy. I tried it in a couple of tournaments yesterday. The first was a prima $1 buy in, about 150 people playing. Using your strategy, I made it to the middle of the tournament with 1.5 times the average stack. I finished 22, I believe.

The second was a $250 new player free roll at Poker World. Again, your strategy and a couple of lucky flops in the big blind got me into mid tourney 2nd or 3rd in chips. With the help of some excellent cards, I went on to win. First paid $62.50. Not bad for my first MTT win.

Thanks again for sharing your strategies,
Kevin
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-10-2004 06:05 PM

Thanks for trying them out. This particular one is intended to bust you out early or give you a good size stack, thus increasing your $$/won per hour played. I am glad it worked for you.

Yesterday I busted out of 3 tourneys in the first few hands using this strategy. My total time was less than 15 mins for all three. In a fourth one I got 4 players to go all in with me on the first hand and went to T7700 after the first hand, knocked out 4 players and crippled 2 others who had big bets in before my all in.

Never say lucky flop from the Big Blind. If someone didn't push you off with a raise you earned the flop. Lesson here, never give the blinds a free ride if you can help it.



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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-10-2004 10:14 PM

One thing I can add is when you get a rush of good hands and go all in several times in a row some dope will call you down with nothing and you can double up pretty fast. It just happened to me where I went all in 3 out of 4 hands and was called by a player who had A6o. My QQ beat him on the flop when a Q came down.



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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-12-2004 04:33 AM
I like this strategy -- thanks for the posting.

I have tried it (your tourney strategy) three time and have gone from busting out at about the 50% point to getting into the top 15 percent (usually play $1 to $5 tourneys). Thanks Again.

BTW -- congratulation on that win (another thread).

Best Regards,

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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-12-2004 06:49 PM
thanks for the nice comment and i am glad i could help


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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-27-2004 07:22 AM
Hello fparker1,

Just a couple of questions.

First, when you say, "...both of your pocket cards must play..."?

What do you mean -- pre-flop, after flop, during end-play? And can the second pocket card be a 'good' kicker?

Second, when you say, "....go all in with AA, KK, AKs...", and later you say, "....with no more than 4x the minimum raise in front of you add AKo AQs, AQo and QQ to all in...." --

Do you mean at pre-flop? (Because if you don't bust out you could win as little as a 1/2BB to as much as 9-1/2BB with no callers)

TIA

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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 05-28-2004 02:45 PM

All in is pre-flop for both questions. You want to make someone beat you.

And yes, you will win the blinds a lot but will also get fools to call you with Ax offsuit which you will win most of the time. You want to take advantage of the bad players that go out early.

Playing both pocket cards means all the way. You will do much better if both of your cards are used in a hand.



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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 06-13-2004 03:42 PM

Here is what happened today with this strategy in 2 tourneys, both freerolls.

I had AQo and go all in on both. I was called by KJo in both. I am a 74% favorite and I lost both and busted out. Total time played was 34 mins in one and 4 mins in the other for 38 mins with no return. Now winning either of these plays would have made me chip leader and loosing let me do other things besides poker. Yes, more to life than poker, hmmm.... when I think of something I will let your know.

On to the next tourney!



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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-21-2004 01:05 PM
If you want a strategy to maximize your time away from the table, it's not really hard. Sklansky's system posted here earlier will do that much more quickly than yours. Toss all in (no raise to you) with any pair pre-flop. You're likely a coin flip or better, just like AK. Then you can bust out fast and go do something else. If you want to win, risking your entire stack on an unmade hand like AK is not a very strong play. And if you want to do something else, don't enter at all.
There are no easy replacements for solid play. Play well pre-flop, post-flop, at all times. You can't honestly think any formulaic "by the numbers" strategy can be optimal. Spend your time at the table improving your game, not going for coin flips so you can double up or be done, thinking that either one is a good outcome.
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-21-2004 09:38 PM

If you want a strategy to maximize ... ffice Shocked ffice" /> > >

Thanks for your input. I agree with your comments on solid play. I am working on capitalizing on calling stations and limpers in low buy in games. These games are rampant with players who will call almost any bet pre-flop with weak aces and kings. The AKo is a marginal hand and I added it to my original 1 hour strategy of all in with AA, KK and AKs and folding all other hands posted here a while back.

“Toss all in (no raise to you) with any pair pre-flop“

Well, all-in is different from tossing in a raise. It is a statement of big holdings. Besides, any pair QQ and and below has the following disadvantage to AKo. Cards that remain to be seen are 3 aces, 3 kings, any sequence combination of the 12 cards QJT, any of 2 4-flush draws one of which wll be the nut flush and the other 2nd best and 2 straight flush hands, one being a royal. Pocket pairs are only a slight favorite to over cards and by limping are being played incorrectly before the flop because they become weaker with more players in the hand.

I am not trying to come up with a 'by the numbers' strategy but more of a set of strategies that can be adjusted to various aspects of game play. I do not try to represent a one size fits all but rather a set of ideas, exclusive to this forum and to the benefit of the members, to be expanded upon and developed. The ultimate goal is to produce a body of knowledge for the low limit online player to take advantage of. Contributions for all members of this forum are welcome and encouraged. I would eventually like to republish the strategies with all the input gained at this site.  > >

I will add some additional disclaimers to any more posts on strategy to make it clear there are no absolutes and that prudence and observation of the game conditions should guide the consumer of the strategy.  > >

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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-22-2004 10:02 AM
AKo is not a superior hand all in to a pocket pair. I haven't run the numbers recently, but it's pretty much a 50-50 proposition if I remember correctly. Pretty hard to advocate one side of a coin flip wager as being good strategy and the other a mistake. Plus if you have 77 and go all in, some guy with A6 might call you, making you a big favorite. (Of course, going all in with AKo could get called by A6 as well). Raising all in preflop with either of these hands is a steal, and if they call, you hope for the best. You'll never know you have the best of it preflop. Besides, with a pocket pair, you (almost) always have 2 outs even if you're behind. AK vs AA, and you're in a world of hurt. You're also ignoring the straights that your pocket pairs will make, or the flushes that miss the AK. These are all small percentages, so in the end, it's back to 50/50, more or less.
Pocket pairs need to be raised for isolation or limped if multiway. Kind of the same thing with AKo. If there's no action, raise and try to buy it there. If there are callers, you have to see the flop and fit/fold. AK is a drawing hand, I'd much rather move all in with QQ than AK.
My real issue is with your justification that you either win big or bust out. If that's the goal, then play a game of literally flipping a coin, you'll have to think even less. Early stages you don't have to rely on coin flips. I play very few multis, but I usually have no problem with the early stages with normal tight play. In the middle and late stages, I get killed because I'm not aggressive enough, but risking more of your stack early is not the best idea. Survivum et advancium, just like in the NCAA's (caution, fake Latin, read at your own risk).
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-22-2004 10:09 AM
its 57 to 43 i believe against a midpair becaise of straight outs and like 53 to 47 against a high pair. i havent run numbers on it either so it might be wrong. AK is the 14th best hand in the deck against an all-in the problem is not a whole lot of people will go all-in with AQ AJ KQetc. so most of the time its a race. i honestly cant remember the last time i had AK and was called by someone who i had dominated its always a pair or another AK(everytime i went all-in i was shortstacked or trying to steal), i wont go all-in in the early stages with a nonpair hand until the blinds are bigger.


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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-22-2004 12:56 PM
77 vs AK 55:45 favorite
QQ vs AK 57:43 favorite

because qq is taking AK str8 draws.

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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-22-2004 10:16 PM

AKo is not a superior hand all in to a pocket pa ffice:smarttags" /> ersonName>ir ersonName>” ffice Shocked ffice" /> > >

Sorry, I wasn't trying to represent that. It is a slight dog to a pocket pa ersonName>ir ersonName> but going all-in and getting one caller plus the blinds may make it the correct call. Getting 2 callers is even better.  > >

“My real issue is with your justification that you either win big or bust out“ > >

Yep, that is it, raising your $/hr by busting out early or getting a big stack and getting high up on the money ladder is what I am looking at. Playing top cards is less of a coin flip than you think. Most of the hands I propose are 81% favorites on the all-in. A few are less IF a pocket pa ersonName>ir ersonName> is in the hand AND he calls the all-in. Remember that any hand less than AA, AKs or KK is a FOLD to more than 4x raise from MID to LATE position. No hand other than those top 3 are all-in pre-flop.

The reasons for this strategy were to take advantage of players that will limp with weak aces and kings, both of which are very beatable. In addition, this is an expansion on a strategy published in Card Player Mag. and arrived at by me independently of going all-in with AA, KK or AKs and folding all other hands.  > >

“In the middle and late stages, I get killed because I'm not aggressive enough...“ > >

Ah yes, I am working on that. You need to raise or fold most hands mid to late tourney. If you loose, you loose a little, if you win, you win big. I heard that from “Men the Master“. My late tourney strategy will have far less all-in propositions.

One last thought here, make adjustments to the strategy to suit your game! I am trying to help this commutity with real time information on real games for real money.

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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-23-2004 09:26 AM
Your logic is still missing a few wheels. You can't possibly state that overcards are an 81% favorite before the flop because you have no idea what the other people have. Sure if they're playing Ax, you're all over them, but you have to know that sometimes a pocket pair will call and you're back in coin flip land.
If a coin flip once is good, a coin flip always is good, so push all in with any pocket pair. You can then choose to believe (if it makes you feel better) that people will only call you with 22, making you a huge favorite. It's just as good an assumption as saying that the only people that call your AK have Ax or Kx.
And my comment about being blinded out late wasn't to indicate that I need your help in playing tournaments, simply that there's no need to make up a specific strategy for early rounds because even a tournament idiot like myself can get through the early stages and build a stack through normal play.
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-23-2004 04:17 PM
"Sorry, I wasn't trying to represent that. It is a slight dog to a pocket pair but going all-in and getting one caller plus the blinds may make it the correct call. Getting 2 callers is even better. "

AK is one of the worst hands with multiple players. Any pr is a better multiway hand. AK loses it's value faster than any other top 24 hand. It is the best non suited hand, and it is the best heads up. You are losing EV with multiple callers. Pocket pairs lose value slower and suited cards gain value with more callers. AKo loses value with more callers.
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-23-2004 09:27 PM
The AKo all-in is designed to go with limpers in front and to get one or two callers with Ax and Kx. That's all. It's situational to the composition of the game.


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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-24-2004 11:21 AM
I'm assuming this is a FR or 2.5 or less buy in strat.

No one is going to call an all with Ax or Kx at 10+1 or higher (online), and if you do find a site, please tell me lol.
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-24-2004 11:30 AM

“No one is going to call an all with Ax or Kx at 10+1 or higher (online), and if you do find a site, please tell me lol.”

My strategy is for low buy-in or free roll tourneys. I wouldn't consider 10 bucks high stakes but I wouldn't consider it low either.

If I find one, I will let you know.



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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-26-2004 12:00 PM
Fred,
One comment on the strategy; I assume that you are playing in tournaments that start with 800 or 1000 chips. Some start with 1500 or 2000 chips and can get to the 100/200 level quickly. Rather than a time limit or blind limit, I think that this strategy can be continued until the big blind (or big blind + ante) equals 15% to 20% of your stack.

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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-26-2004 08:03 PM
Tried this strat out over at UB on one of there aruba qualifying freerolls. Finished 31/2500, got a bad beat with KK to knock me out.
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Re: NLHE freeroll tourney strategy, first 90 minutes.
Posted: 07-26-2004 09:41 PM

AJ,

  Thanks for your comment. I think that is a great idea. I have been looking at the midpoint of the tourney as when 50% of the players have busted out. At that time I start to change my play if I am still in it.

I think that changing strategy by stack size is a good idea because you will be adjusting to how will the strategy is working. If it is working well, you will play it longer, if it is not working you can switch up and try something else. This will also help to confuse the others at the table who are paying attention to you.



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