 turbo332
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Pre-flop probing for info in NL
Posted: 06-27-2006 02:44 PM |
here's the hand, I'm CruisinS2000 and hold QQ :
Seat 1: mwmitbobr ($132.50 in chips)
Seat 2: cruisinS2000 ($50.80 in chips)
Seat 3: iguiguana ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 4: brillormen ($79.35 in chips)
Seat 5: necrotrix11 ($19.10 in chips)
Seat 6: GalinaBlanca ($74.75 in chips)
Seat 7: GrenadierB ($54.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Maizenblue82 ($46.25 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
GrenadierB posts blind ($0.25), Maizenblue82 posts blind ($0.50).
PRE-FLOP
mwmitbobr folds, cruisinS2000 bets $2, iguiguana folds, brillormen calls $2, necrotrix11 folds, GalinaBlanca bets $5, GrenadierB folds, Maizenblue82 folds, cruisinS2000 bets $6, brillormen calls $6, GalinaBlanca bets $40, cruisinS2000 folds, brillormen folds.
SHOWDOWN
GalinaBlanca wins $61.75.
SUMMARY
Dealer: GalinaBlanca
Pot: $61.75
mwmitbobr, loses $0
cruisinS2000, loses $8
iguiguana, loses $0
brillormen, loses $8
necrotrix11, loses $0
GalinaBlanca, bets $45, collects $61.75, net $16.75
GrenadierB, loses $0.25
Maizenblue82, loses $0.50
I didn't want to see me flop an overpair and be in a tough spot, so i tired to get the info i needed before the flop... this a decent idea/play/concept? It was still $8, which sucks, i guess I could have looked for a set and folded if I missed, but Im not sure how easy it would have been to fold if the flop was 3 rags.
What do you guys think?
PS: The caller in between us stated that he folded KK to the all in bet. |
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mayce22
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Re: Pre-flop probing for info in NL
Posted: 06-27-2006 03:17 PM |
| What did you have. The hand history you posted doesn't show? JB |
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turbo332
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Re: Pre-flop probing for info in NL
Posted: 06-27-2006 03:21 PM |
| original post fixed... |
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Re: Pre-flop probing for info in NL
Posted: 06-28-2006 02:04 AM |
NH
You'd have to have a very specific read on GalinaBlanca to call that. you'd need to know that he regularly puts the 4th bet in with AJ JJ or worse!
At best you are even money to AK, much more likely you are completely dominated by AA / KK when that 4th bet puts him all-in
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bobby7
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Re: Pre-flop probing for info in NL
Posted: 06-29-2006 08:08 AM |
how does it go from $2 to $5 to $6? i dont understanding exactly how the preflop betting went.
im really not a fan of reraising preflop only to fold if raised back, thats the kind of play i would only ever make in very specific tourney situations, there is no need to try that in a ring game though. i believe it also makes you look like either a weak player or someone who is gonna try and play too tricky when there is no need.
if i got a pair and have open raised im either gonna reraise with intent to go allin(might even go allin right there) thinking my pair is bigger or i will call if we are deep enough and im not sure im ahead or ill fold if we are not deep enough and im just not sure. reraising and folding preflop is NOT an option.
in this particular situation i prefer calling and hoping to flop a set, if he does have AA or KK then im gonna double through and if he has like an AK theres a good chance ill find out on the flop, most people play AK postflop very differently than a big pair postflop.
also something that may have been overlooked is that your reraise of such a small amount looks very very weak in my opinion and it does look like your well probing for info. in virtually every hand ive seen this scenario happen where someone raised with AA or KK and got reraised then the initial raiser makes a BIG reraise, he is doing this because the pot is now pretty big and since the reraiser has shown interest in the hand he figures he will play anyway, plus he wants to get the pot as big as possible to give bad odds for set drawing.
in general i think you really shouldnt be that worried about losing to an overpair when you hold QQ. at a 10 player table on any given hand there is less than a 10% chance someone has AA or KK. if you dont reraise here then you increase the chances that a hand you have dominated will play with you, some people reraise with hands as weak as AJ or 88 but if you reraise you now can really only get action if you infact are beat. i know it might sound like bad advice but if you got QQ and someone else has KK or AA and the flop is 3 babies you pretty much just gotta pay it off. |
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Re: Pre-flop probing for info in NL
Posted: 06-29-2006 12:34 PM |
Call the reraise or go all-in. I don't see any other way to play it.
By reraising, you have to assume this person may come over the top once more and go all-in. So the only amount I reraise myself is all-in. Take that play away from him and force the decision to call on your opponent. It's much more difficult to call an all-in that it is push all-in. If this guy is on anything but AA or KK, he may just fold. However, if it were me in that hand, I would have only called his reraise to $5. I'm not an all-in with QQ kind of guy unless I'm playing someone that I know likes to be aggressive with Ax. |
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