 mrheaume
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Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-22-2004 10:50 AM |
Not the final table, I mean more along the lines of the last few players. Here's why I ask - last night I made third in a Prima $5 entry MTT. I ended up winning $53, but I feel like I should have won first place at $135. why? because I had a $30k lead when it came to the final 3. I seem to have the right strategy for being in the lower position in that situation - I play tighter and pick my spots, seem to have a good instinct for the bluff, based on the player and the way he/she bets
But last night I guess I was playing too loose because of my advantage, or not stealing enough blinds. Just wondering if anyone here has their own technique in this situation. (I've read the MTT Strategy on this site already FYI) Thanks a lot!
Matthew |
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-23-2004 02:31 AM |
Well I think I answered my own question. I placed first tonght in another MTT on Prima ($2 + .25) and won $123. Around 200 entrants.
Tonght I played the final stage a lot different. I did a few different things, but most importantly on the last table I really used my huge chip lead to my advantage. And the result - well, it's a pretty good feeling to have 250k chips when the only other 2 opponents have 20k and 40k 
If anyone reads this (haha) any suggestion on the best online poker rooms to play tourneys at? I've heard Paradise has some good ones.
Been a long night, off to bed for me..
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-23-2004 02:42 AM |
It's worth adding on here that these are No Limit tourneys.
I don't even like playing Limit anymore. hehe but I guess I'll have to get over that when I start playing in live games. |
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ashbash
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-23-2004 05:20 AM |
$30k lead in that situation is nothing. If I was one of the other players I wouldn't have been scared of you because of that alone. $250k vs $20k - now thats a different matter.
I'm not an expert at MTT's but it seems to me the trick is to get to the final table regularly. Once you are there, relax, have fun and be prepared to gamble and lose. If you are timid you will be eaten alive.
One experience I do have is that final tables tend to be power all the way. Forget clever plays, and draws - if you play a hand, play it like it is AA even if you are bluffing with 23o. Calling is generally a very bad option because the blinds are so high in online tournaments.
So don't beat yourself up about it. Sounds like you are doing the hard part - your turn to win the final table will come if you hold your nerve and get your chips in while you are ahead.
Otherwise Coach is your guy for some pointers.
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-23-2004 11:37 PM |
Paradise just put in their tournament system, and it seems pretty good...Poker Stars are good. Prima rooms where you're playing has lots of freerolls, as you've already noticed ;]....lots of other good tournaments as well.
Congrats on your top finishes and win. Ash is right, its all about making the final table, and once you're there, relax and play fast and aggressive, especially if you have the chip lead.
Lean on the short stacks, but don't go against the big stacks unless you have a real hand. Thats about it...the rest depends on you getting some good cards to play with.
Oh, one exception to the “dont play into the big stacks“ rule...if they're conservative rocks, bet into them constantly with the minimum raise. If they'll fold practically every hand, you'll beat them in the long run. Just have the discipline to lay down the hand if they play back at you or go all in, and you were being aggressive with a marginal hand.
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bronk
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-24-2004 09:28 AM |
I agree with betting agressively once you're down to the final few players. You can't count on getting the cards.
Last weekend, I was one of those “conservative rocks” sitting on a big stack, down to the final two in a 10+1 SNG at Party. I kept getting bet into and folding. Got my stack chipped away until it was too late and ended up in 2nd...very frustrating.
So frustrating that I immediately entered a 20+2 SNG, made the final two again, was extremely aggressive and won.
Anecdotal evidence only, but I'll keep at it and see if it continues to work. |
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-24-2004 10:34 AM |
yep my 'lucky streak' has continued 3rd sunday night, 1st monday night, and 2nd last night. these are low entry MTTs ($1-3), not the freerolls, with usually 250-300 entrants. i can't seem to get anywhere in the higher entry fee tourneys. i dunno if its the fact that the players or better, or psychologically im playing differently, or what it is.
but anyway thanks for the pointers guys. i've really been learning a lot here.
Matthew |
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-24-2004 03:04 PM |
an update... i finished 8th in a guarantee $2000 NL hold em today. that paid $53. not too bad... i got pretty lucky early on and that kept me goin for quite a while.. but by the time it came to the last few tables, i didnt have the chips (OR the cards) to really have a real shot
But, I'm glad to have made it that close to the finish.
Also i just realized i probably posted this in the wrong part of the forum. Sorry! |
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-24-2004 03:30 PM |
I think you made this post before our “Tournament” forum was created. Not a problem to move it though, plus it will add a post to our rather bare tournament section ;]
You do seem to be having quite the run in MTT's. If you don't mind me asking, can you elaborate on what kind of strategy you're using? I know alot of people use the MTT strategy on this site as a basis, but then deviate from it at certain points.
If you've found something that seems to be working exceptionally well, please share. |
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-24-2004 04:00 PM |
yeah i started playing with the strategy on this site. not just on MTT but also on STT (which i also do pretty good in thusfar) and regular ring play.
early on i play very tight as suggested in the MTT strategy. i do deviate from the AA-JJ and AKs starting hands, more so as the game progresses. because the early blinds are cheap, i also will call ace suited anything and any pair, if i can see the flop cheap. also, ill play anything painted but usually it doesn't pan out. sometimes it does.
naturally i do a lot of bluffing if i sense weakness and have outs. it is no limit, after all
position i don't really consider, which is probably foolish, but early on those blinds are so small that it doesn't really matter much to fold.
also i never raise with a pair. ill raise with painted cards and ace suited hands. again, many would consider this foolish.. but it sets me up for a bluff after the flop when there are very few callers. |
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-24-2004 08:58 PM |
i just finished 1st in a Prima $30 + 3 Multitable. Only 15 entrants (there was another big deal tourney in progress on Royal Vegas) and top 3 paid... I won $225. By far my biggest payout yet. This makes 4 straight days of at least a top 3 finish in a tourney. I have this site, the forum and Coach to thank!
i should note that the last post I made was about my early tournament play.. it's just the way i've adjusted it for playing Prima MTT's. on other sites, i may have to change my play. as we know there are plenty of suckers on Prima sites...
also, I make a note (right click) after *every* revealed hand of what was played, and if it was played on SB or BB. also, i note the way it was played - if there was a large preflop raise, if it was slow played, etc., and if someone is bluffing or if i think they are bluffing.
this doesnt usually come in handy directly - i.e. i don't refer to it during a hand most of the time - but it helps me to remember the way a player plays just through the mental process. make sense?
so overall i usually have a good idea situationally of what the player has or doesnt have, if theyre chasing, etc
Thanks again peeps
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ashbash
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-25-2004 05:12 AM |
Do you need a backer? :-)
I reckon I could make more that way than I do by playing! How many MTT's are you entering to win this regularly?
Sounds like you have it right at the moment - whatever you do, don't start thinking about it too much at this stage. Keep doing what you do until it stops working and analyse it then. |
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-25-2004 08:02 AM |
Ash makes a good point Matthew. Don't bother analyzing yet...just keep kicking the crap out of people's chip stacks, and when you're done, analyze it and tell us what went right, wrong, etc.
Might have to make an addendum to our MTT, if you keep going with this.
Guess I'll stay out of prima MTT's for awhile ;] |
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-25-2004 10:12 AM |
lol thanks guys, i really got a kick out of that. i really don't try to figure out the whys and wherefores, all i know is there are some poor poor players on these Prima rooms. i have a feeling most of them have never read or even considered opening up to poker strategy in any form. the only thing that really separates me from them is this site and the information contained within - and being to practice using it. merely reading it didn't improve my game. i had to really apply it properly situationally.
all in all, i hope that didn't sound too pretentious. moral of the story is, if it wasn't for my friend Steve, i'd be another sucker who saw the WSOP on ESPN sometime and decided i could play like that too...but online
how many tourneys do i play a day? well there are 2 $1000 freerolls, and usually i'll play a couple more. *usually* i'm either out early or strong early, that seems to be the way it goes. not because i play reckless, but that seems to be the nature of the beast on Prima tourneys - lots of jackals pull crazy river carrds or something along those lines, and you're sunk. |
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mrheaume
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
Posted: 03-27-2004 08:27 PM |
i wanted to make an update and say that i have changed my policy on no raises pre-flop with pairs. you can only get beat with junk so many times with AA, KK, QQ etc that you decide its time to clear out those limpers. im sure this comes as no suprise to most
also i havent placed high in a tourney (final table) since my last win. my excuse is (haha) that i have been playign less tourneys and more ring games (.25/.50 nl). ive noticed that sometimes my tourney game carries over to my ring game at first. not good hehe. but i've been on a pretty decent run on the ring games last few days... suckers galore on prima.
at the moment im in a WSOP satellite. 11 of 43, top five go to the WSOP final on April 3 on Prima. Wish me luck! and happy trails.
Matthew
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RoseJan
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Re: Strategy for MTT final few players
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